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Post by HMC710 on Jun 8, 2013 6:27:29 GMT -5
I hope to get that question answered in the next couple of days. Got lots of reloading to do and just put a bench together. Then check out the 1:8 vs 1:12 barrels and see what they will do. If we can get a decent bullet in the Uzi mags that would be fantastic.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 10, 2013 11:23:41 GMT -5
Got the 40 gr JFP bullets in this morning. Nice but not going to help the Uzi mags. Overall shorter than the cast, can't seat them as deep. I can get them to 1.210", maybe a bit shorter, but not far enough. Next, we'll see how they shoot.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 10, 2013 18:49:03 GMT -5
Tim, I would have thought that you could get it shorter since the case is shorter than the 22TCM. Here is a picture of the 22TCM and look how far in the bullet is actually set. I believe the 22TCM is 1.2" long.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 11, 2013 7:53:52 GMT -5
Right, the 1911 is not the issue, they both fit those. The goal is Uzi mags remember
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 11, 2013 8:21:30 GMT -5
I get you -- you need it down to 1.16" length of 9mm to fit the Uzi mag. It just looked to me like the bullet you had seated was up further than the 22TCM is seated but I guess it wouldn't make up that much difference.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 11, 2013 9:31:18 GMT -5
Yes it was higher than the cast. The 55gr cast will fit the Uzi and GLock mags, we were hoping the 40gr Aimscore bullet would also but no luck.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 12, 2013 8:00:09 GMT -5
I know you are putting a lot of effort into getting the 22RE to work in an Uzi magazine and I hope you can find a way. I had thought that maybe using 30 Luger brass or 7.65X21 brass that is shorter than the brass used for the 22RE might make it. The 30 Luger case is actually 21.59mm long or 0.85". I use the 35gr Hornady V-max in a lot of my 22RE ammo and the bullet length from the neck rim to the bullet tip is 8.4mm or 0.33". If the 30 Luger were necked down and the 35gr V-max used it would have around a length of 1.18" -- not the 1.16" 9mm length but close. It might do better in length with the ARMSCOR bullets. I was going to buy some Fiocchi 30 Luger brass but I have nothing to use it in -- just wanted it to test with. It has the same rim size as the 9mm and I believe is was the case the 9mm Luger cartridge was designed after. I figured this would be a good blowback type round due to the smaller powder capacity and if a person wanted longer bullets they could go to your blowback PPS magblock and PPS mags. Just a thought.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 12, 2013 8:48:41 GMT -5
Yes, the 30 Luger would be perfect. But then I need another set of dies to cut down......... didn't want to do that until I check my options. I've already got them to fit with the cast bullet, looking for a bit shorter one. I think performance differences would be minimal.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 12, 2013 9:15:56 GMT -5
I can understand the die thing -- the 22RE dies aren't cheap. I was going to order some Fiocchi 30 Luger brass because it was cheaper than the Starline but then I realized I'd need another set of dies to cut down just to see if it looked like it would work. I thought that maybe I could make my own test dies using some die blanks sold by Newlon at newlonprecision.com/I have no idea what the blanks cost but I do believe they come center drilled and are threaded for standard reloading presses. I just sent them an e-mail to see what the pricing for the blanks was.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 12, 2013 10:28:42 GMT -5
I've seen those blanks before also, but then I have to make a die reamer or single point them, lots of work either way. I think my 22 RE dies were in the 80-90 range. Its been rumored that Lee is going to produce 22 TCM dies so that would bring the cost of modifying down a bit.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 12, 2013 11:54:16 GMT -5
I hope I'm wrong but I think those Lee Dies for the 22TCM are for Ammo Warehouse. I contacted Ammo Warehouse about the Lee dies and they said they would run around $80 or possibly more. Lee won't seem to sell them directly to you only to a company like Ammo warehouse that will charge you major money. Lee said the dies were proprietary or something like that. Sounds funny to me because you can get a 22TCM chamber reamer from PTG no problem.
Like the 22RE, the 22TCM is also a nice round for something like a small AR-15 varmint rifle. I've shot all types of bullets in the 22RE but I prefer the Varmint Grenade and the 40gr V-max or bulk Z-max if I can find them.
Edit to add; If you get lucky and find that Lee will sell you the 22TCM die set let us know -- I would like to get the set myself.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 13, 2013 7:12:30 GMT -5
quote from a general search on TCM dies: "I called RIA several months ago, cause I could not find them on their site... the guy said he had them and I bought them....might be worth a call...they are the only ones that have dies that I know of: Lee die set." "Both Hornady and Lees have made a limited no. of dies for this caliber now. If you want to get on the Hornady's list to receive a set of dies you should call Ben Syring at 800 338-3220 Ext. 261 and he will call you back when he can and you can order the dies direct from him. I am hoping if enough interest is shown that maybe Hornady will add some loading info in their new book next year if we can still find any components. " Update from Armscor youtu.be/tZdXVMhMwlILengthy reloading post on 1911 forum forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=39116722 you still have that print from page 1 showing the two rounds? Can you email it to me? getit@heavymetalco.com For $80 I'll give the money to Ron. I still think we can get the right bullet in there. Anyone swage 22'? Take that 40gr armscor bullet and swage the nose off into a 30gr HP Just what I need, something else to fight for bench space....
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 14, 2013 7:21:50 GMT -5
Loaded up some of the Armscor 40gr JFP this morning. Put a 9mm in there for comparison. To the top of the cannalure I get 1.250". I can get it down to just under 1.2" by seating it deep but its into the ogive. But like I said earlier, knock off that lead flat nose and swage into a HP, that would go. Either way to get them reliably into the Uzi mags is going to take a shorter bullet, or a shorter case. Using a shorter case just adds all the more work and expense.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 14, 2013 9:32:00 GMT -5
tim, I e-mailed the two prints -- one is the 22TCM cartridge and the other is the 22RE cartridge. I hope that is what you wanted. I agree with you on paying Ron the money for the 22RE dies. I got my first set from him and will be the way I'll go if I need a second set.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 14, 2013 12:39:57 GMT -5
Yes, thanks, Just wanted to see what the shoulder angle and body tapers were. TCM is a bit straighter. Hope to get to the "range" if I get this 256 chambered......
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