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Post by HMC710 on Jun 21, 2013 17:43:56 GMT -5
Because they (factory) is running (relatively) slower powder, I'm running a pistol gas system on the 22 RE. TCM should be no different. Tok is less than pistol because its running a faster powder. I can run a tok on a pistol system all day on reloads. Thats why the 9mm was stubborn to get to run, fast powder.
I'm seeing .2535" on my reamer but don't bet on it, don't like putting cal on there. It came from PTG so there should be an online print we can look up.
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 21, 2013 18:53:33 GMT -5
Did you order the 22RE reamer direct from PTG or did you get it through Ron Reed? I don't need a reamer -- already have a carbine in 22RE but I could not find the 22RE listed on PTG. I was going to see if they had a print but I since I can't find the reamer I must be looking for it by the wrong name or something. edit to add; This is the 22TCM with 55gr soft point Hornady bullet loaded in the PPS magazine. Due to the straighter case the cartridge seems to feed perfect in an AR. I had to push the 55gr bullet in a little further than normal since the cartridge is long and the COL is limited to around 1.37". With the bullet seated at the ogive it would have been 1.38"+. I think the Magazine/cartridge combination is limited to 30gr up to 45gr bullets but for the sized of the cartridge that would make a heck of a varmint round.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 23, 2013 13:43:26 GMT -5
Got reamer and dies from Ron. Reamer said PTG and dies CH4D. WARNING: LOAD DATA FOR REFERENCE ONLY Loaded up some 62gr SS109 bulk pulled stash bullets for the 1:8 barreled carbine. Loaded 11.0 gr of H110 which put the powder right to the top of the body. Seated the bullet to 1.65" but it would not chamber, was about .030" into the rifling and pulled the bullet out of the case when ejecting. Loaded to 1.530 oal and chambered fine so I test fired and hit an inch + right of bull. Got slight primer cratering so I tested three more rounds to verify. The 109 is a long bullet so the boat tail was below the neck into the powder charge. I didn't set the chrono up but QL predicted 2200 - 2300 depending on seating depth, but a bit over the 35ksi pressure limit of the Tok case. Sub 1" group at 50 yards - OK that's a step in the right direction Seated one out to 1.600" but bullet was still in the rifling. Tried 1.575" and the shell chambered but when I pulled it back out the chamber the bullet had been pushed in to 1.535" so I loaded up two at 1.545" and put in 8 clicks left on the scope. Did 8 more clicks L and tried three more rounds at 1.550" and 11.5gr of H110. Had pressure signs so these are definitely hot loads. I didn't clean between rounds so will clean things up and try some more. One thing that did not happen was failure to chamber like I had with the short bullets. But like I said before, if the necks are not good when you start, they will be junk when you squeeze them down to .22 caliber. And perhaps there might have been some just formed cases in that batch and a bit long, don't know. Another negative report is that these long bullets won't fit the Tok mag and jammed nose up using stock mags. I'll try working with the M1 Carbine mags a bit more but I might just shelve the fast twist barrel. Velocity and power are limited and feeding is an issue. I can run reduced loads in the .223 all day with heavy bullets so I'll have to think about this one. The jazz about the .22 caliber round is the velocity you get and 2200 is not 3000 so I'll do another slow twist DI carbine and see where we go from there. At least we proved the barrel works. So, for me, the short bullets, higher velocities, and feeding from 1911 or Tok mags, all point to the short bullets and slow twist barrels. Maybe the 1:10 is the limit or would a 1:14 really wake this thing up? Its only Time and Money, right?
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Post by 22boomer on Jun 23, 2013 15:28:05 GMT -5
I will say that I have a lot of fun shooting the lighter bullets in my 22RE. My barrel is 1:10 but I'll bet that a 1:12 would be great. I must have a bit more throat in mine since I've shot 70gr Hornady bullets set out pretty far but they didn't shoot all that well. Right now my favorite bullet in the 22RE is the Barnes 30gr Varmint grenade but I've had problems finding them. They seem to actually be a bit longer than the 35gr Hornady V-max which also shoots ok,
I guess the reamer is a proprietary design and may be the reason I can't find the print at PTG. I know he had all the dies made by CH4D.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 24, 2013 11:47:11 GMT -5
Probably not public info on the reamer. Have to light a fire under Bro to get them 37gr cast boolits and going to try to get a Government model barrel done.
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Post by HMC710 on Jun 26, 2013 11:17:30 GMT -5
beginning to hate 1911 barrels.....
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 3, 2013 8:55:40 GMT -5
Got the new NOE 37gr FN in and Bro is in bench rest mode so grabbed the mold last night and fired up the pot this morning. L-R: NOE 37gr, ? 55gr RN, Armscor 40gr, Hornady 35gr The NOE Lyman clone is a great little bullet. Took a while to get the hang of filling the mold after doing the 230gr Blk's! Had to really get hot and fast with a little over filling to keep the pressure on but made a few decent ones. Bro's shooting all the rest of the week so will size and gas check them next week. They are very similar to the 55gr RN if you compare from the crimp groove. Chop off the round nose and cut off the base. Haven't weighed any but they seat to under 1.17". Uzi mags - here we come..... And I bet they would work great in the 30 Luger brass as well.
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 5, 2013 8:29:51 GMT -5
Fed the 22 Reed Express blow back out of stock 9mm CProduct mags using one of our first gen Cuzi mag adapters. Now to work out a few small details.....
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Post by 22boomer on Jul 5, 2013 13:24:30 GMT -5
I like the looks of that little 37gr bullet from the NOE mold -- is there a similar design but with a round nose?
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 5, 2013 15:52:13 GMT -5
I'm sure a Lyman expert would know the answer to that right off the bat but I'll check QL........ Quick Load lists a Lyman 44gr LRN GC #225438. There ya go buddy
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 6, 2013 12:18:01 GMT -5
Just finished the SuperMax Buffer for the 22 RE. Won't be able to test until tomorrow so will do that with "factory" loads and another load using about 6 gr of Herco to see what a faster powder will do. Pics to follow.....
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 8, 2013 7:05:20 GMT -5
Did some experimenting with powders and buffers on the 22RE blow back. Made the new super max buffer and some other mods to check out some ideas. Loaded up the 35 gr VMax with 7gr of Herco, which totally filled the case. Loaded up three rounds in a Tok mag and got the chronograph out for testing. First shot was exactly what I was looking for - almost zero recoil and the case ejected about 3' away. Velocity was 2648 fps. Next round fired, recoiled hard and threw the case 20' - 2668 fps: Next round a duplicate of the 2nd. Pulled the upper apart and looked things over along with the cases. 1st case was beautiful, 2nd had the shoulder blown out and couldn't find the 3rd. Loaded up 3 more at 6.3gr of Herco and got the exact same results: first round was butter, next two had "hard" recoil. Velocity was just under 2500 fps. I'm using my Cav Arms Lower on this and while it has an A2 stock, it takes a Carbine buffer. I had forgotten about that while I was making up the Super Max buffer assembly so now my plan is to go with a true Rifle buffer tube and see what it will take to duplicate the first shot of those two strings. They were excellent light recoil shots like I was hoping for from the 22 RE - stay tuned.....
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Post by 22boomer on Jul 8, 2013 14:34:47 GMT -5
That is kinda strange that the first shot on both strings started off light and the second and third shots all recoiled hard. Did you clean the bore before you started your first string of shots and clean it again before the second string? Just thinking of some kind of buildup right in the throat of the barrel -- or the second and third rounds in both strings had a little bounce in them and where not chambered fully -- really strange!
Just thinking -- the 22RE being a bottle necked cartridge could act like a piston if not seated all the way -- like the Colt Ace floating piston chamber. Of course not being there and not owning a blowback in 22RE kinda puts my speculation in the worthless range.
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 8, 2013 16:45:03 GMT -5
Strange indeed. Maybe the tungsten wgts in the buffer are back instead of fwd? At first I thought they might have fallen out. I had the gun pointing down when chambering first rounds so maybe I should try that on 2nd, 3rd.... Want to make another buffer to test more of the set up so we'll give it a try with that. Definitely need that answer because it makes it one sweet shooter.
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Post by 22boomer on Jul 8, 2013 18:34:48 GMT -5
Does the shoulder get pushed forward much if anything? I have a DI operated 5.7X28 that I use once fired FN brass in and all the shoulders were pushed forward a pretty good amount when fired in their BB setups but then I don't much like the FN brass -- I believe S&B 7.62X25 brass is super and even Starline is better, but then FN designed the brass to be fired once and move on -- plus they have crimped primers.
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