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Post by HMC710 on Apr 20, 2012 19:08:06 GMT -5
Doing some tweaking on the M1 set up for feeding with factory loads. Spire points are fine but the big round nose bulles jam once in a while. Going to pull things apart tonight and go over a couple things........
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Post by HMC710 on Apr 22, 2012 7:52:19 GMT -5
Polished up on the barrel extension and smoothed things right out. Need to get the press changed over and knock out a few hundred......
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Post by 22boomer on Apr 27, 2012 5:01:09 GMT -5
Just wondering -- are you using a standard AR bolt or did you have to modify one for the M1 carbine base and rim?
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Post by HMC710 on May 27, 2012 7:48:20 GMT -5
I use a stock bolt. There is some slop with the smaller M1 base, but I haven't had any extraction issues. Finally got press set up off site and the M1 is 3rd on the list to get loaded up.
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 6, 2012 7:35:17 GMT -5
Got a call about the M1 mag adapter and if they would feed the 19 Badger or .17-30. Only one way to find out...
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Post by HMC710 on Jul 9, 2012 15:57:45 GMT -5
CH-4D has .17-30 dies available. Will have to find or make a reamer and go from there. Might even be fun to find and old carbine to tinker with.
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Post by 22boomer on Sept 17, 2012 7:21:12 GMT -5
There's another company that uses the 30 M1 carbine cartridge case for their ammo -- may be the same one as the 17-30 cartridge in your post. They have a full set of calibers and I think they all run around the same length. Take a look at this url location for the Garin ammo -- the cartridges come in 17, 20, 22, 6mm and 25 caliber. www.surestrikesystem.com/I don't know what the COL is so I don't know if they will fit in an M1 carbine magazine -- I went through all the info they have on the site but no luck on any COL info. The cartridge system might work nice in a switch-barrel setup of some type. If only there was a magazine that would work.
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Post by HMC710 on Sept 21, 2012 19:48:43 GMT -5
Yea, looked on the site and they are dedicated to 30 carbine brass! ;D Sent them an email and asked the question. Not a lot of info when searching.
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Post by HMC710 on Oct 20, 2012 10:29:41 GMT -5
No answer back from the sure strike people. Talking to Manso Reamers about some more custom work so will look at the 17/30 and other possibilities he's got. Just finishing another 30 Carbine upper so there are some users out there.
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Post by 22boomer on Oct 26, 2012 9:14:38 GMT -5
I asked the question over on another site that Garin has ad's on. Maybe I'll get some info at least on the 20 and 22 garin. An alternative that's not a proprietary cartridge is the 5.7mm Johnson or 22 Spitfire that was actually available in an M1 Carbine package so it fits in the M1 Carbine magazine. The info I have shows it came in either a 40 or 50 grain bullet with the 40gr rated up around 3000fps out of the Carbine. I saw a picture of the cartridge and was surprised that the bullet looked something like the little Hornady 35gr V-max but without the plastic tip. The over-all length was listed as 1.65" but sure wish that a bullet that was a little more pointy could be used. In an AR type setup a 20 and 22 version of the Johnson should feed well without too much barrel extension mods. Would really be nice in a light weight M1 Carbine with a good barrel. Just a thought.
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Post by HMC710 on Oct 27, 2012 11:15:28 GMT -5
I agree on the M1 Carbine platform. Had a chance to get one couple of months ago for half of what I've been seeing them go for..... dummy me...... Definately would like to experiment with it a bit along with the Ruger Mini and the Chinese SKS's available. Have looked at the Johnson & Spitfire also. Still comes down to reamer and dies and finding a "standard"
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Post by 22boomer on Oct 28, 2012 8:52:47 GMT -5
I don't have any direct info on the Garin rounds but I do plan on calling Paul Garin sometime this week to verify lengths and find out what the COL is for the 22 Garin with the 40gr Berger bullet he lists on his spec sheet. Below is a reply I got back from another site from a fellow that uses the 17 and 20 Garin.
"I got a CZ527 in a switch barrel in the 17 & 20 Garin. It is built on their 22 Hornet action using the CZ 221 magazine and there in plenty of room left lengthwise in the magazine. I don't know how this info would help you for a 30 Carbine magazine. Anyway Garin lists their case/ brass length at 1.290" max. My formed case avg. 1.275 ". For my 20 Garin using the 32 grain Z-Max the COL is 1.767" at .010" off the land. That leaves approx. .153" of bullet base in the case neck. The 32 grain Z-Max by the way avgs. .645" long. My 17 Garin COL. with the 25 grain V-Max is 1.766". By the way the COL of the 20 Garin using the 32 Z-Max to the lands from the bullet ogive is 1.358" and for the 17 Garin is 1.402". As suggested before a call to Paul Garin and he probably could tell you if the 30 Carbine and magazine would work.
I know I will most likely never see a carbine built for one of these rounds or for a 5.7 Johnson but talk and posting is cheap and stuff like this is always fun to at least talk about.
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Post by HMC710 on Oct 28, 2012 11:58:29 GMT -5
Yep, not to mention typing is inexpensive too! The 30 Carbine mags will take 1.68" + / - and I know Manson lists a 17/30 carbine on his reamer list. What OAL is I don't know, but only one way to find out. The we are back to those pesky dies......
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Post by 22boomer on Oct 29, 2012 5:03:59 GMT -5
Too bad Manson doesn't have a reamer similar to the 17/30 but something like a 20/30 -- you could call it the 5mm PDW if you did a carbine up in that caliber. The 20 caliber might handle wind and stuff better than the 17 caliber. A 5mm PDW would be a one-of-a-kind -- all the others are either 4.6X30 or 5.7X28 -- a 5mm would be right in the middle. The 17/30 is a nice round an I believe it's also known as the 17 PeeWee and makes for a good varmint round. This is the 17/30 It got a fairly nice shoulder for feeding in a semi-auto -- maybe a 20 could be in the future. Again, posting is cheap -- I can't afford the real thing anymore.
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Post by 22boomer on Oct 29, 2012 7:58:22 GMT -5
I thought you might appreciate this thread about an M1 Carbine rechambered in the 17/30 or 17 Pee Wee. www.saubier.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12951About half way down the first page is a beautiful rifle that is actually an M1 Carbine -- I had to look twice to recognize it.
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