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Post by patjsimpson on Sept 28, 2010 19:28:42 GMT -5
Hello I am new here as a fellow gunco.net member pointed me this direction when I started asking him questions about his upper.
I have been thinking of doing this for quite some time but would now like to start moving a little faster. I have been browsing your web site and this forum but have not yet found the answers to what I would like to know so I will add a few questions below.
With regard to the mag adapters is there any breakdown as to the + and - of each design?
Do the carbine and pistol barrels use the same gas setup (short?) I plan to build a carbine DI and I would like to eventually like to switch from DI to Piston down the road but it is not sounding like there has been real success here or at least documented anyway... is there a recommended piston system to use?
Do you guys have a standard twist rate for the barrels that you are using?
I think that is all I have for now but more may come up...
Just wanted to say thanks for the great site and products... I am excited to shoot some of the surplus ammo I have saved up! pat
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Post by HMC710 on Sept 28, 2010 19:50:35 GMT -5
Welcome Pat ! With our mag adapters we offer Flush and Standard. The flush mounts are flush with the bottom of the AR magwell and have a release lever coming out the bottom for the Tok mag release. The Standards stick down about 1/2" and have a mag release button on the side, either left or right, to release the mag. The Flush mounts actually decrease the magwell opening of the AR where the Standards have a large magwell bevel. They both work equally well.
We use the same gas system on all barrel lengths.
As far as pistons go, its all custom work right now from the looks of it and from what I have searched out this is as good a spot as any to see them in action. Ours is running, but I haven't run a few thousand rounds through it yet. I just finished a new set up for it so need to do some more testing.
We have been using 1:10 twist .308 cal brls and just got a couple 1:9.5's in to test them out.
Good luck and stock up, tok ammo seems to go pretty fast ;D Tim Aberegg Heavy Metal
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Post by patjsimpson on Sept 28, 2010 19:57:45 GMT -5
Thank...I just realized there were more pages than the first one under the piston so I got caughtup on that.
So are there issues with placing a gas block in the standard carbine location for DI or is it just easier for your production to us the same for all. thx pat
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Post by 22boomer on Sept 28, 2010 20:12:52 GMT -5
Hi Pat, It's me Charlie -- glad to see you found this place. This a picture from the Heavy Metal web site showing their magblocks. I hope I get this right -- The TMAL has a mag release on the left side (that brass button) The TMAR has the release on the right. These magblocks use unmodified PPS-43 magazines. The TMAF is a flush mount magblock -- like a Colt 9mm magblock but for the PPS-43 mags that have the notch cut in them.
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Post by patjsimpson on Sept 28, 2010 22:11:03 GMT -5
Thanks Charlie! this is a great place I can see I will be spending some time here looking for ways to shoot off some of my Mill Surp ammo. I saw that picture before but didn't really understand how they worked from looking at them. So with the mag release on the right side is it possible to reach that button with your right index or middle finger to release the mag while grasping the pistol grip? For me I think that would be optimal while grasping the mag with my left hand.
thx pat
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Post by love2shoot on Sept 28, 2010 22:23:41 GMT -5
With the TMAL you hit the button with the thumb while grabbing the mag to pull it out......I have a currently have the TMAF and found that with a tight magwell you can sometimes pull the block out also.......my SBR magwell runs it fine, but the M16 magwell I recently used it in, was really tight.
The port location for the DI guns and the Piston guns are not in the same location. the piston system can run with less pressure so it can be a little further out. there are a few of use playing with the piston setups, but known have officially hit the market on a mass produced (or semi mass produced) basis yet.
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Post by HMC710 on Sept 29, 2010 6:13:50 GMT -5
Pat, our gas systems are designed to make the Tokarev system run, not fit in a certain position. It is apples and oranges when it comes to running a system designed for 55,000 psi and making it run on 25% - 50% of that. Flush Mounts: I need to update our website (actually we are doing that right now, if I ever get off my arse!). The new flush mounts DO NOT require a slot cut in the Pps-43 mag and have its own bottom lever release. Yes, you can reach the Right side mag button on the standards with your finger.
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Post by patjsimpson on Sept 30, 2010 1:04:51 GMT -5
I love pictures! so thanks for sharing those... They got me leaning more toward the flush mount again. Thanks for the info on the Piston... Now I just need to scrape together some money to get this all together. Are the new flush mounts ready to order or are you still working on them?
thx again! Pat
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Post by HMC710 on Sept 30, 2010 5:57:27 GMT -5
Flush, Standard, and Blow Backs are all in production. I am doing final assembly on all of them and hopefully will have some for stock.
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Post by love2shoot on Sept 30, 2010 11:16:47 GMT -5
you'll enjoy the block.....if it was notfor these.......I would probably not of done my piston conversion.....I had lost my motivation to make another after my first was never returned to me by someone I knew.
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Post by patjsimpson on Oct 2, 2010 10:00:08 GMT -5
Now that you have a new one you should go get the other one back ;-)
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Post by love2shoot on Oct 2, 2010 11:27:00 GMT -5
the other was a blowback setup, a lot more dirty then my current build.......besides, think I have a new project to use that barrel for.
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Post by patjsimpson on Oct 27, 2010 19:09:06 GMT -5
Any news on these sexy adapters ;-) Pat, our gas systems are designed to make the Tokarev system run, not fit in a certain position. It is apples and oranges when it comes to running a system designed for 55,000 psi and making it run on 25% - 50% of that. Flush Mounts: I need to update our website (actually we are doing that right now, if I ever get off my arse!). The new flush mounts DO NOT require a slot cut in the Pps-43 mag and have its own bottom lever release. Yes, you can reach the Right side mag button on the standards with your finger.
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Post by HMC710 on Oct 28, 2010 8:01:11 GMT -5
Our Standard and Flush mounts are in production and available. We are waiting for our new ejectors for the blow back adapters and will make another run of them. The new 9mm gas adapters are working and are in the tuning stage. In the process of adding a separate mag release so a colt/cproduct or uzi mag will work in both the gas and blow back uppers.
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Post by patjsimpson on Oct 28, 2010 19:59:09 GMT -5
Great, how do I order a flush mount for 7.62x25? Our Standard and Flush mounts are in production and available. We are waiting for our new ejectors for the blow back adapters and will make another run of them. The new 9mm gas adapters are working and are in the tuning stage. In the process of adding a separate mag release so a colt/cproduct or uzi mag will work in both the gas and blow back uppers.
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